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[302 Hi Pro]

Fellow Boss 302 Drivers:
This thread is started as a place to gather information on the Getrag MT82 manual 6 speed transmission. This transmission is standard equipment on all 2012 Boss 302's as well as all 2011-12 manual transmission equipped Mustangs. During my short tenure with the Boss 302 Forum, I have read many Boss 302 owners express concern over "Shift Problems", ranging from rough shift to will not engage.

To begin this thread, I have enclosed some information found in the Ford TSB 11-3-18 as well as a link to access the full TSB bulletin. As we, (Forum Members) develop this thread, we can add all information found that will help Boss 302 owners in the proper repair of their MT82 Transmission. With that said, I have also read many Boss 302 owners report NO problems with their MT82 transmission operation and some have even said "Best Mustang transmission ever", [sic]. So with that said, the following post will address TSB 11-3-18.

On March 14, 2011 the Ford Motor Company published a TSB 11-3-18 to address customer concerns of "Increased Shift Effort" The complete TSB document link can be found here:
http://www.mustangev...-2012-mustangs/ Or directly here: http://cdn.mustangev...sb-11-03-18.pdf

MT82 MANUAL 6-SPEED TRANSMISSION COLD TSB 11-3-18
SHIFT EFFORT FORD: 2011-2012 Mustang

Some 2011-2012 Mustang vehicles equipped with a XT-11-QDC Dual Clutch Fluid MT82 6-speed manual transmission may exhibit increased shift efforts in cold ambient temperatures.

WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
This is usually most noticeable in 1st and 2nd gears but may also be noticed in 3rd through 6th gears. The increased shift effort may be the result of the increased viscosity of the transmission fluid in cold weather . . . Continued - See full TSB

Hopefully, with everyone's help we will be able to document specific transmission problems and the appropriate procedures for owners to follow to document and repair their transmissions. Thank you for your assistance and support - Hi Pro

[JohnRichard]

I hope this thread works, on all of the other forums it was nothing but Ford bashing... I really hope that does not migrated to this forum as well...

This is my second Mustang to have the MT82 transmission and the other cars transmission had no issues other then the cold shifting... It was a late October 2010 build date and I never did the fix for TSB 11-3-18...

changes done by Ford to improve the transmission have been implemented...

I am not going to disagree and say the transmission issues are all an urban legend because I think it is a fine transmission I am 2 for 2 without issues...

In terms of changes made since the 2011 production began:

04/26/2010: Revised Clutch Pedal Return Spring
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs

10/19/2010: Revised fastener/thread locker
Addresses clutch fastener back out

09/07/2010: Changed 5th/6th gear surface finish
Addresses grinding during 5th gear shifts

01/07/2011: Revised Clutch Spring Finger Height
For clutch stay-out at high RPMs

02/25/2011: Fourth gear weld incomplete during production
Process verification to ensure complete gear welding

07/01/2011: Vehicle message center
Extended skip-shift illumination time so drivers aware of engagement

07/25/2011: Added phosphate coating to gears
Reduces gear noise

07/25/2011: Lower viscosity lubricant
To reduce shift effort in all temps

08/31/2011: Changed clearance between 2nd gear friction ring & cone
Resolve ring to gear face contact and gear clash

I would attach the file but it is too big.... May be the link will work
http://www-odi.nhtsa...1024-48900P.pdf

Edited by JohnRichard, 06 December 2011 - 07:54 PM.

[302 Hi Pro]

I hope this thread works, on all of the other forums it was nothing but Ford bashing... I really hope that does not migrated to this forum as well...

This is my second Mustang to have the MT82 transmission and the other cars transmission had no issues other then the cold shifting... It was a late October 2010 build date and I never did the fix for TSB 11-3-18...

changes done by Ford to improve the transmission have been implemented...

I am not going to disagree and say the transmission issues are all an urban legend because I think it is a fine transmission I am 2 for 2 without issues...

In terms of changes made since the 2011 production began:

I would attach the file but it is too big.... May be the link will work
http://www-odi.nhtsa...1024-48900P.pdf

JohnRichard: Thank you for sharing the Product Improvment measures taken by FoMoCo. I know for me, it is reassuring to read the steps Ford has taken to improve the driving experience of the MT82. And, I agree with you, my goal is not to bash Ford, I think they make the great cars, rather this thread is to help owners in the repair process.

The first step for anyone having shifting problems, is to document the complaint on a Warranty Repair Order with your local Authorized Ford Dealership, and to begin working with your local Ford dealership for corrective action. Depending upon severity of the complaint, I am sure Ford has an established repair procedure for the MT82 and this thread is a place to document that procedure from Boss 302 Drivers who have successfully had their MT82 repaired. Good Luck out there - Hi Pro

[mgreen167]

So I have been reading about the problems these cars have been having. My Boss had a rough shifting problem while it was cold, and sometimes while it was warm. I also heard a faint grinding noise coming from under the shifter. I took it in for an oil change, to check the brakes (they were making noise), and to check the grinding noise. The next day I got a call that there was some bearings that went bad in the transmission. Its going to take them a week, but they say they're going to rebuild the transmission. So this is me sharing my experience.

[302 Hi Pro]

So I have been reading about the problems these cars have been having. My Boss had a rough shifting problem while it was cold, and sometimes while it was warm. I also heard a faint grinding noise coming from under the shifter. I took it in for an oil change, to check the brakes (they were making noise), and to check the grinding noise. The next day I got a call that there was some bearings that went bad in the transmission. Its going to take them a week, but they say they're going to rebuild the transmission. So this is me sharing my experience.

Mgreen167: Can you give us an update as to how your transmission rebuild turned out? Do you know what happened to cause the failure? Keep in touch - Hi Pro

[mooremmmm]

Mgreen167: Can you give us an update as to how your transmission rebuild turned out? Do you know what happened to cause the failure? Keep in touch - Hi Pro

I just had my transmission rebuilt. See the post in the Lounge titled Gear whine anyone? At first I thought it might be normal, but it defnitely wasn't.

Here is a picture of it torn down:

[Boss1236]

I had the TSB performed a couple of weeks ago. It definitely had an effect but it did not totally eliminate the issue. I had the hard, notchy shifting primarily in the 1st to 2nd shift when cold but to a lesser degree in other gears. Since the TSB was done, the 1st to 2nd when cold is less notchy but still evident. When fully warmed up the trans shifts noticeably easier and smoother so there was some benefit to the oil change in the trans. I've also started to use 2nd gear to start off when cold. There's more than enough torque to easily do this. Will be curious to see how this goes as I get more miles. I'm at 2500 right now. I'm hoping it will get better with more miles.

[Bad Boss 302]

I had the TSB performed a couple of weeks ago. It definitely had an effect but it did not totally eliminate the issue. I had the hard, notchy shifting primarily in the 1st to 2nd shift when cold but to a lesser degree in other gears. Since the TSB was done, the 1st to 2nd when cold is less notchy but still evident. When fully warmed up the trans shifts noticeably easier and smoother so there was some benefit to the oil change in the trans. I've also started to use 2nd gear to start off when cold. There's more than enough torque to easily do this. Will be curious to see how this goes as I get more miles. I'm at 2500 right now. I'm hoping it will get better with more miles.

I'm with you on starting out in 2nd gear. For driving around in city traffic it sure beats 1st gear. I've been doing that for about 3 months now.

[302 Hi Pro]

Good news here, I just checked the UPS tracking number for may package from our friends at MGWLTD, and it states: " Scheduled Delivery: On time, Wednesday, 12/28/2011, By End of Day"! Yes! I will keep you posted and give you a discription of the item as it is unpacked. If I can figure out how to post some pictures, I will share those too. - Hi Pro

December 28, 2011 - Update:

UPS delivered the MGW shifter this afternoon, I will have to wait a few weeks before I can install the unit, but I did open the box and inspect the contents. I am very happy with the workmanship and materials used to construct this shifter. Billet aluminum construction, stainless steel shifter stem, high quality hardened fastners and power coated lower shift box. The rear shifter box support bracket is provided by two polished steel rods in a sleeved billet aluminum power coated bracket. I also purchased the heat shield that when installed stands off of the bottom of the lower shifter box by approx. 5/8" for air circulation.

It is nice, very nice indeed. - Hi Pro

Edited by 302 Hi Pro, 28 December 2011 - 05:56 PM.

[SVT NAJA]

I had the TSB performed a couple of weeks ago. It definitely had an effect but it did not totally eliminate the issue. I had the hard, notchy shifting primarily in the 1st to 2nd shift when cold but to a lesser degree in other gears. Since the TSB was done, the 1st to 2nd when cold is less notchy but still evident. When fully warmed up the trans shifts noticeably easier and smoother so there was some benefit to the oil change in the trans. I've also started to use 2nd gear to start off when cold. There's more than enough torque to easily do this. Will be curious to see how this goes as I get more miles. I'm at 2500 right now. I'm hoping it will get better with more miles.

Boss1236,

Welcome to Boss302Forum! I see you're in the East Bay. Which dealer did your TSB and are you happy with their service?

[Boss1236]

Boss1236,

Welcome to Boss302Forum! I see you're in the East Bay. Which dealer did your TSB and are you happy with their service?

Thanks. I had Fremont Ford do it. One of the owners of the dealership has a Laguna Seca of his own. They got 4 Boss' allocated to them and also sell GT 500s, etc. I figured they'd be more likely to have some knowledgable techs at this location. I also had them install the Track Key and everything went fine with that so far. I'm also going to get the QTP Electric Exhaust cutouts soon.

[Boss1236]

Good new here, I just checked the UPS tracking number for may package from our friends at MGWLTD, and it states: " Scheduled Delivery: On time, Wednesday, 12/28/2011, By End of Day"! Yes! I will keep you posted and give you a discription of the item as it is unpacked. If I can figure out how to post some pictures, I will share those too. - Hi Pro

Are you referring to a shifter upgrade? If so, I'd be curious to see how this might help with any transmission shifting issues you are having.

[302 Hi Pro]

Are you referring to a shifter upgrade? If so, I'd be curious to see how this might help with any transmission shifting issues you are having.

Boss1236: Yes, MGW manufacturers a replacement (short throw) shifter for the MT82 transmission. I was researching short throw shifters and someone on this site recommended this shifter. I was thinking about installing a Hurst shifter, but then found out the Hurst is only an "Upper" shifter unit. The MGW is the only replacement shifter that I have found that makes both the Upper and Lower shift units. There is a rear shift rod support bushing that is included with the MGW unit.

Google "MGW Shifters" and you can check out their video, You can see the stock peices and the replacement peices side by side. Once you see it, your questions will be answered. Wish you and your Boss all the Best! - Hi Pro.

[regalt87]

A little information on the MGW shifter. I have a 2011 V6 performance car which has the MT82 transmission. It didn't have any serious issues but I knew about the TSB for the duel clutch fluid so I had it done. There was a slight difference (improvement) in the shifting. What I didn't like was downshifting in a hurry was not always accurate. I put the MGW in and now the downshifts are dead on accurate. It is a little shorter throw and stiffer going into reverse but no issues to report. My observation is that although the MGW is a quality part I believe a large part of the problem is The OEM factory rear mount is not very well designed. I am buying a 2012 Boss next week and I haven't decided to just try the Barton rear mount first and see how it goes or buy another MGW. Hope that helps.

[JohnRichard]

I installed the MGW shifter and heat shield last night, fun project.... After I removed the factory shifter ball, I managed to drop it on the cement garage floor and put a very nice deep Grand Canyon size scratch in the thing… I wonder what that is going to cost to replace…

The only thing I need to get used to is the sound that travels down the gear linkage and up the shifter handle to the shifter ball…

It is not a vibration it only happens when you change gears… you can definitely tell when it’s in gear by the sound… The sound improved the confidence that the transmission is fully engage in the gear selected. I hope this is normal for the shifter…

I also disconnect the skip shift solenoid while I was under the car but still at low speeds it is hard to upshift to second… My 2011 GT was the same way… More than likely an engineering design in the transmission, designed for the skip shift feature or poor design and this invented the skip shift feature...

HI-Pro, let us know if yours does the same...

[302 Hi Pro]

I installed the MGW shifter and heat shield last night, fun project.... After I removed the factory shifter ball, I managed to drop it on the cement garage floor and put a very nice deep Grand Canyon size scratch in the thing… I wonder what that is going to cost to replace…

The only thing I need to get used to is the sound that travels down the gear linkage and up the shifter handle to the shifter ball…

It is not a vibration it only happens when you change gears… you can definitely tell when it's in gear by the sound… The sound improved the confidence that the transmission is fully engage in the gear selected. I hope this is normal for the shifter…

I also disconnect the skip shift solenoid while I was under the car but still at low speeds it is hard to upshift to second… My 2011 GT was the same way… More than likely an engineering design in the transmission, designed for the skip shift feature or poor design and this invented the skip shift feature...

HI-Pro, let us know if yours does the same...

I plan to install the shifter next Saturday morning, the shop is closed tomorrow due to the holiday. If it rains, then I will have to reschedule, but I will let you know how it turns out. I am very sorry to hear about you shift knob. I plan on using a leather strap wrench to remove mine, and I think I will just keep it in the car until its time to reinstall. Bye for now. - Hi Pro

Edited by 302 Hi Pro, 30 December 2011 - 07:49 PM.

[JohnRichard]

I put a hair dryer on it and cooked it so it come off by hand

[302 Hi Pro]

I put a hair dryer on it and cooked it so it come off by hand

JR: Do you mean a regular hair dryer or was it a shop type heat gun? I will definitely try the hair dryer trick, come to think about it, after watching the install video, (twice), that was the only part of the job I wasn't sure about. thank you - Hi Pro

[MIG]

I got my MGW installed last week. Also used the heat shield. The shifting is much better. There is quite a bit more transmission noise than before but it was well worth it. I give it an A plus.

[JohnRichard]

JR: Do you mean a regular hair dryer or was it a shop type heat gun? I will definitely try the hair dryer trick, come to think about it, after watching the install video, (twice), that was the only part of the job I wasn't sure about. thank you - Hi Pro

I just used a normal hair dryer for about 5 minutes to get it really warm...