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#21 mgreen167

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

For those asking about an update on my transmission rebuild, here it is. Day 32 and they have taken it apart for a 3rd time. I'm not being told there is a "substantial" unknown grinding noise coming from the transmission. I am being told they are consulting an engineer, but I don't know what that will do for me. Frankly I am a little concerned as to what this sort of work has done to the overhaul integrity of the car. I am having serious buyers remorse, having traded in an 08 Mustang GT that would be almost paid off right now (with not a single mechanical problem).






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#22 Shocky

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:24 PM

I am new to the forum, but a couple of observations. I don't have any real problems with my new Boss's transmission or the shifter. In fact, it shifts pretty much like my last car, Porsche 997. The issue may be that the Boss transmission is designed more for the track vs. the strip. European transmissions in general need a bit more finess than the " rock crusher " types. I would say, if you are really intent on the drag strip put in a Tremec with a Hurst. For what it is worth.
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#23 JohnRichard

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 09:13 PM

good post Shocky, my second car with the MT82 and no issues... But I have to disagree, my 2011 GT I had atleast 50 passes on the car without transmission issue just drivers issues...
MGreen, wish you had it better so you could enjoy your car... One could look at it as atleast mileage is stay low...

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 12:38 AM

good post Shocky, my second car with the MT82 and no issues... But I have to disagree, my 2011 GT I had atleast 50 passes on the car without transmission issue just drivers issues...
MGreen, wish you had it better so you could enjoy your car... One could look at it as atleast mileage is stay low...



Based on all of the threads I've read, it seems that most MT82's are just fine. You and I are just two of the unlucky few with problems. I know your pain, but as frustrated as i was, I forced myself to be patient and eventually got my car back in good shape.... after six weeks. At least I think its good. I haven't had out on the road much since I got ib back due to the weather. The whine is definitely gone, and it shifts fine. Hopefullly I can beat on it this weekend to see if it seems solid before I park it for the rest of the winter.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:04 AM

For those asking about an update on my transmission rebuild, here it is. Day 32 and they have taken it apart for a 3rd time. I'm not being told there is a "substantial" unknown grinding noise coming from the transmission. I am being told they are consulting an engineer, but I don't know what that will do for me. Frankly I am a little concerned as to what this sort of work has done to the overhaul integrity of the car. I am having serious buyers remorse, having traded in an 08 Mustang GT that would be almost paid off right now (with not a single mechanical problem).


MGreen167: Very sorry to learn of the problems you have encountered with your MT82. I can understand your concerns and remorse the repair attempt by your dealer has caused. Three failed repair attempts would have me concerned as well and I would have to question the dealers ability to provide a proper repair. Have you contacted Ford Motor Company Owner Services to request assistance? You might consider asking Ford to provide the dealer with a new transmission assembly to replace your unit. I am just surprised that Ford has not offered technical assistance to the dealer to assist in the transmission overhaul, after all they do have procedures to assist and ensure cars are not in the shop for more than a month for the same repair.

I would hope that someone (at the dealership and/or Ford) is bending over backwards to help you resolve this problem. You should be compensated for your loss of use of the vehicle and I would hope that someone is taking care of you with a "comparable" rental unit, credits for monthly car payments, (if financed), etc.

The last thing that any car manufacturer wants is for one of their customers to seek remediation through state lemon laws. You need to explore all of your options and at this point and insist this problem is resolved. Time is of the essence. Wish you the best and keep us posted as to the resolve of this repair. - Hi Pro

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:05 PM

MGreen167: Very sorry to learn of the problems you have encountered with your MT82. I can understand your concerns and remorse the repair attempt by your dealer has caused. Three failed repair attempts would have me concerned as well and I would have to question the dealers ability to provide a proper repair. Have you contacted Ford Motor Company Owner Services to request assistance? You might consider asking Ford to provide the dealer with a new transmission assembly to replace your unit. I am just surprised that Ford has not offered technical assistance to the dealer to assist in the transmission overhaul, after all they do have procedures to assist and ensure cars are not in the shop for more than a month for the same repair.

I would hope that someone (at the dealership and/or Ford) is bending over backwards to help you resolve this problem. You should be compensated for your loss of use of the vehicle and I would hope that someone is taking care of you with a "comparable" rental unit, credits for monthly car payments, (if financed), etc.

The last thing that any car manufacturer wants is for one of their customers to seek remediation through state lemon laws. You need to explore all of your options and at this point and insist this problem is resolved. Time is of the essence. Wish you the best and keep us posted as to the resolve of this repair. - Hi Pro



Thanks for your concern. I have contacted Ford directly, and they verbally expressed their concern. According to my dealership, they contacted the technical assistance group with no avail. I got a rental car for three days, but nothing more than that and nobody seems to be bending over backwards to help me. I don't know if it's the dealerships fault or if there is some stock into these faulty transmission's (maybe only the early models). I was told by the dealership that they asked for a new transmission and they were denied. When I spoke with somebody from FoMoCo they mentioned that if they couldn't figure out what was wrong with the transmission, they would replace it. I just wonder how a new transmission is going to effect the overall performance or resale value.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:23 PM

Sorry to hear about the problems. I hope they get it figured out or replaced. I don't think a new transmission would negatively affect the value. Your counterargument would be that it is right and not bad like some of the other ones for sale. My feeling is the trans is an isolated mechanical unit that can always be replaced with a good one.

Someone is going to start "blueprinting" these MT82's and they will be sweet. Mine works great, better now at 9000 miles than at any point up till now. It seems to just be getting better. A properly rebuilt transmission where you use micrometers and dial indicators to check component dimensions along with well made bearings will be the hot ticket in the future. They'll be as good or better than the good new ones. It just takes time for someone to get all tooled up, a business plan in place, and people's warranties to start running out.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:41 PM

I Although i i am not having difficulty shifting , i am disappointed with a Chinese trans in an American muscle car . For the money i over paid i expected at least a tremec 6 speed in any new Mustang . IMAO

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

Why do you feel you overpaid? And if you feel that way, why did you?

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 06:50 PM

Just joined bought my boss 2 days ago 171 miles and I'm noticing more noise during clutch operation as well as one time where the shifter pushed itself out of first gear leaving a light. Does this no matter what temperature it is. Feels like the clutch is not engaging or disengaging in a controlled manner no matter how slow i shift. Less of a problem in 3-6 gears. This appears to be an established issue. Back to the dealership.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:36 PM

Just joined bought my boss 2 days ago 171 miles and I'm noticing more noise during clutch operation as well as one time where the shifter pushed itself out of first gear leaving a light. Does this no matter what temperature it is. Feels like the clutch is not engaging or disengaging in a controlled manner no matter how slow i shift. Less of a problem in 3-6 gears. This appears to be an established issue. Back to the dealership.


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I sometimes here a clunk noise or pop type sound when depressing or releasing the clutch. I have no slippage, the clutch works fine, grabs nice, where it should and I have about a 1/4" of free play at the top of the pedal. Just sometimes I hear the clunk, mostly when I am coasting to a stop, push in the clutch and shift to neutral when the drive train unloads, CLUNK! Please let me know what you find after your service visit. Thanks so much - Hi Pro.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

I Although i i am not having difficulty shifting , i am disappointed with a Chinese trans in an American muscle car .



Consumers have DEMANDED foreign made good for years. Yep, they go into stores and buy "The Best Value" for the buck amd walk out.

The suppliers/manufactures have been listening and have responded with foreign made products.

The Strange thing is the "People are surprises" to find foreign products....REALLY!!!!!

I hear the same thing from my parents 70+ now. Why can't we buy American anymore??? Look at all the foreign made junk... Bla Bla Bla. They are the same folks who bought with only one thing in mind....What Is Cheaper!!!

You want an All American Made car, truck, Shirt............ The American consumer made that impossible. Live with it.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

There are very little all-american made products today. None in the automotive industry if you really look into it.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:28 PM

Timestamp,
I sometimes here a clunk noise or pop type sound when depressing or releasing the clutch. I have no slippage, the clutch works fine, grabs nice, where it should and I have about a 1/4" of free play at the top of the pedal. Just sometimes I hear the clunk, mostly when I am coasting to a stop, push in the clutch and shift to neutral when the drive train unloads, CLUNK! Please let me know what you find after your service visit. Thanks so much - Hi Pro.

Where is the clunk coming from? Mine was clunking and then snapped the input shaft...twice. LOL
But seriously, check the tranny mount for tears.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:54 PM

I have found some play in the diff. I had the tranny in neutral and the parking brake on and I could turn the driveshaft back and forth. I know when you set up a rear diff that you have to have some gear lash but this seemed excessive.

Remember, you always have the choice to buy or not. So when you are buying mods to put on your car - always buy American.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:56 AM

Allways buy American! I agree 100%. I am very close to the finally selection of my parts list and will try to post up this weekend.

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#37 302 Hi Pro

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:56 PM

Well if I lived in Boston, I would be "Boss-Less" in Boston! Yes, fellow Boss drivers, my Boss is down, and I had to leave it in the shop only to wait until Monday so the "Transmission Specialist" can look at it, and let me say, when I came home this afternoon, It looks strange having that empty bay in my garage.

The Boss had developed some clunk and clunking noises and/or sounds that could be heard at very low speeds about 5-10 mph Sometimes just coasting down the driveway at 7 mph or so, there would be a clunk noise when I would depress the clutch pedal. If I would come to a stop at the end of the driveway, put her in reverse, go 50 feet or so and then depress the clutch, and you guessed it, clunk! A new problem developed recently, it would not up-shift from first to second gear when shifting at higher RPM's. I found that when shifting above 4,000 RPM, second gear would not enguage. The shift would lock up as I tried to enguage second gear. I could shift in to third, or fourth and then down shift to second, but it would not upshift from first to second above 4.000 rpm.

So this morning, I went to up to the shop so I could inspect the car on a lift. I found myself thinking about the MGW shifter I installed in January. Do I have a “Re-Do or Comeback” to deal with? I just had to check, so I removed the 4 nuts holding the stainless steel heat shield and remove the shield and insulation. With drop light in hand what do you think I found? Nothing, everything is fine and nothing is amiss.

Then it hit me, yep, it hit me alright, a drop of transmission fluid! Further inspection found traces of oil coming from the left side top area of the transmission. Darn! Only 731.6 miles on the unit. Next I removed the oil fill plug to check the oil level and nothing drips out. In checking fluid level no oil could be found within an inch of the open plug hole.

I checked for leaks at the engine and rear differential, and thankfully all is fine there. Once I hear the news and cause of failure, I will post it so others can keep an eye on their units. - Hi Pro.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:05 PM

Yikes!!! Sorry to hear the bad news! I was backing my boss out of the driveway very slowely, noticing that everytime the tranmission engaged, I heard a low noise clunk!! I had also heard some other noises in the tranny once in a while, thought it was normal or it was me??? No major problems as of yet!!!

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:46 PM

I hate to say this... But you jinxed yourself by starting this thread before you ever owned the car... Now I just jinxed myself by posting this... owell stuff happens...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 02:31 PM

Hi Pro, I'm very interested is this because some of what you experienced has happened to me. Keep us posted. Thanks

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