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#1 302 Hi Pro

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 10:45 AM

Over the last few months, I have noticed a few of the Exhaust Specialties Manufacturers are now offering new Shorty Headers for the new 302 CID engines. I know that Shorties have been around for a long time and that the Long Tube approach has been the preferred method for maximum HP gains, but now I am looking at Shorties to assist with heat management.

With new Ceramic coatings, I am wondering if a new set of Silver Ceramic Shorties will help to lower under hood temperatures? There is also the improved scavenging benefit that may add up to 8-12 HP. Looking at the stock header, I see Ford uses the old factory Tri-Y approach for some of the pipes before the collector, which isn't the best method, but not the worst method by any means either.

So why not slap on a set of long tubes? Well, I view the shorties as more of an upgrade v. A Mod. I can keep the stock emissions equipment, keep the stock tune, the TracKey tune, and have No CEL issues. Benefits are improved scavenging, HP gains and lower under hood temperatures.

I have come to learn that, (for me), upgrades to stock components are preferred over all out modifications to components or sub-systems. Oh yes, one more thing, some Shorties are up to 40% lighter than stock.

Just a thought at this point, but the Shorties are very reasonable priced as well. Please share your thoughts and personal experiences. Thanks, 302 Hi Pro.
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#2 302 Hi Pro

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:13 PM

I had the Boss up on an Alignment rack this morning and had a chance to take a good look at the stock shorty exhaust headers. They look real good as viewed from the top of the engine bay, but sadly, not so good from the bottom.

Of the 4 exhaust runners, only 2 make it to the collector. Of the other 2 that are Tri-Y'ed, only one is a Y configuration, the other is "T" pipe connector. I know from experience this is not promoting an efficient exhaust flow out of cylinders 5 &7.

Kook's has a new set out that states gains of a Solid 10-12 HP. Who has installed or used their products? Let me know if any one has any experience with Kooks products. Thanks in advance. Hi Pro

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2012 KB Boss 302 MC: 500A | Boss Production Line Assembly Number 2800. Vehicle Special Ordered with Recaro Sport Seats & 3.73:1 Torsen Option | Engine: FRPP 84.5MM TB, Peterson CJ Vent Can, TracKey Activated, AirAid CF PJ CAI, FRPP 84.5MM TB | Drivetrain: AE 4.0" Aluminum DS, MGW Gen 3 Race Spec Shifter, GT500 Clutch Pedal Box, FRPP Stainless Clutch Line, Dedicated Clutch Fluid Reservoir, FRPP Trans Cooler Scoop. | Exhaust: Silver Ceramic Kooks Super Street Headers, MagnaFlow Street/Comp 3.0" SS CB X-Pipe System, Open Kooks SS Boss Side Pipes. | Suspension: FRPP "T" Springs (alternate Steeda Boss Rear Springs), Koni Sports (Yellow) Adjustable Struts/Shocks, Steeda HD Camber Plates, Cortex Watts Link, Steeda Billet KB Poly/Spherical LCA's, KB LCA Relo Brkts, Steeda Adj. UCA & Energy Suspension Sys. Upper Diff Housing Bush, OEM Boss Rear Sway Bar | FRPP GT500 Forged wheels, (19X9.0 F & 19X10.0" R) | Brakes: FRPP Boss 302 Cooling Duct Kit, Steeda SS/Kevlar Brake Lines, GT500 13.8" Rear Rotors, GT500 Rear Brake Pads, Dot 4 Motul 600 HT Fluid | Body: FRPP Boss 302S Grill, FRPP Boss 302 LS Front Splitter, FRPP GT500 Rear Spoiler & Serviceable Gurney Strip, BFR Front Tow Hook, Jacking Plates, 3M Window Tint, (35/20), OEM Boss 302 Floor Mats & Boss 302 Car Cover, Pioneer TS-D6802R Speaker System, Auto Dim, Home Link & Compass Mirror. Notes: Current Intake System - Ram Air thru Front Grill Fog Light, OEM CAI Box and AEM Aluminum Intake Tube with Drop-In High Flow Filter. In Testing Spring 2016. SCT-X4 Tuner used exclusively for Data-Logging AFR/Timing Curves Only. FRPP TracKey is Preferred PCM Tune.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:33 AM

302 Hi Pro,

I'm surprised there have not been more responses on this topic.

I am interested in the same - a good shorty header solution for the Boss.

 

Like you, I know you don't get the same perf benefits as with a long-tube setup, but for now I want to keep my boss smog compliant (I live in CA) and keep the heat down.

I know Kooks makes a great product, but I have not used them personally.

 

Do you know if the Kooks shorties come with ceramic coating option?

BBK has a ceramic offering but I don't know if their header quality matches that of Kooks (I suspect not).


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Performance Mods: JLT Oil Separator, MGW Shifter, FRPP 84.5 MM TB, Airaid PJ Carbon Fiber Intake, Kooks 1-7/8" Shorty Headers (ceramic coated), Kooks Gen-II Side Pipes, MRT H-pipe, Borla Over-Axle Pipes, GT500 Quad Mufflers (painted black) with Valence, QTEC302 Electric Side-pipe Cutouts,  FRPP SS Clutch Line, FRPP Brake Cooling Kit, GT500 13.8" Rear Brake Upgrade, Vorshlag SS Brake Lines, AE 4" Aluminum DS with BMR safety loop, Shelby transmission scoop.

Suspension Mods: Steeda Boss Lowering Springs, Steeda HD Strut Mounts, Koni Yellow Dampers, Whiteline Panhard Bar with Brace, Whiteline LCAs with Relo Brackets.

Appearance Mods: Sound Tube Delete, Race Red Bumper Plugs, CDC Illuminated 'Boss 302' Sill Plates, RedLine Hood Struts, Blacked-out Hood Vents, MRT Aluminum Rear Louvers, SHR Flush Quarter Louvers (matte black), SHR Custom Fuel Door (matte black with RR '302' lettering), Moroso Coolant Reservoir. Moroso Battery & Brake Fluid Covers, CJPony Boss302 Rally Shift Knob.

Track & Safety Mods: Forgestar CF5 19x10" wheels (square configuration), Hoosier R6 295/35-19 R-compound tires, SRP Racing Pedals, LS Rear Seat Delete and Cross Brace (race red), CoolTech Roll Bar (race red) and Crow Harnesses (with Boss 302 emblem).

Planned Mods: Whiteline UCA, CoolTech Tow Hooks, Peterson Breather Can, McCloud RST Clutch, Maybe a set of Sweet BSS Wheels, 500+ BHP (one way or another).


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:00 AM

302 Hi Pro,
I'm surprised there have not been more responses on this topic.
I am interested in the same - a good shorty header solution for the Boss.
 
Like you, I know you don't get the same perf benefits as with a long-tube setup, but for now I want to keep my boss smog compliant (I live in CA) and keep the heat down.
I know Kooks makes a great product, but I have not used them personally.
 
Do you know if the Kooks shorties come with ceramic coating option?
BBK has a ceramic offering but I don't know if their header quality matches that of Kooks (I suspect not).


I did not see a ceramic coating option on the Kooks web page, so I contacted Jet Hot, they have a good coating system known as Polished Silver Ceramic. This would be $250. plus shipping cost and would done in 5 days, plus shipping time.

But hear is the deal, I asked "What kind of heat reduction in temperature can I expect to see?" He answered "20 Percent". That is huge!
So I'm now seriously thinking about this, I need to contact Kooks now to discuss their claim of "A Solid 10 - 15 HP! I will provide an update once I speak with them.

I think a trip to North Carolina is in order. More to follow, and let us know, (open to all Forum Members question), you have a preferred Header manufacturer and why. All the best, Hi Pro
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:20 AM

Has anybody tried the BBK ceramic shorties?


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Performance Mods: JLT Oil Separator, MGW Shifter, FRPP 84.5 MM TB, Airaid PJ Carbon Fiber Intake, Kooks 1-7/8" Shorty Headers (ceramic coated), Kooks Gen-II Side Pipes, MRT H-pipe, Borla Over-Axle Pipes, GT500 Quad Mufflers (painted black) with Valence, QTEC302 Electric Side-pipe Cutouts,  FRPP SS Clutch Line, FRPP Brake Cooling Kit, GT500 13.8" Rear Brake Upgrade, Vorshlag SS Brake Lines, AE 4" Aluminum DS with BMR safety loop, Shelby transmission scoop.

Suspension Mods: Steeda Boss Lowering Springs, Steeda HD Strut Mounts, Koni Yellow Dampers, Whiteline Panhard Bar with Brace, Whiteline LCAs with Relo Brackets.

Appearance Mods: Sound Tube Delete, Race Red Bumper Plugs, CDC Illuminated 'Boss 302' Sill Plates, RedLine Hood Struts, Blacked-out Hood Vents, MRT Aluminum Rear Louvers, SHR Flush Quarter Louvers (matte black), SHR Custom Fuel Door (matte black with RR '302' lettering), Moroso Coolant Reservoir. Moroso Battery & Brake Fluid Covers, CJPony Boss302 Rally Shift Knob.

Track & Safety Mods: Forgestar CF5 19x10" wheels (square configuration), Hoosier R6 295/35-19 R-compound tires, SRP Racing Pedals, LS Rear Seat Delete and Cross Brace (race red), CoolTech Roll Bar (race red) and Crow Harnesses (with Boss 302 emblem).

Planned Mods: Whiteline UCA, CoolTech Tow Hooks, Peterson Breather Can, McCloud RST Clutch, Maybe a set of Sweet BSS Wheels, 500+ BHP (one way or another).


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:49 AM

Have to agree with 302HP on these headers, seems to of shortcut. Can these be as good as ones with all equal tubes into collector?

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:08 AM

Have to agree with 302HP on these headers, seems to of shortcut. Can these be as good as ones with all equal tubes into collector?


Rich B.
Good find on the OEM header pic. This clearly shows what I was trying to explain. Also, Jet Hot told me to expect a 20% reduction in heat transfer, not 100% sure, but by using their silver ceramic polished coating on a new set of Kooks shorty headers, I could reduce under hood temps by as much as 200 plus degrees! To me that is huge.

I'm still seriously considering this option. The up side of the shorties are, easy to install, no welding and fabrication required as with long tubes. Still used Factory emission components, cats, sensors, etc. Warranty should not be affected, as its a simple bolt in upgrade to a 4 into 1 collector v. a 2 into 1 collector. Improved flow, improved sound. I just don't see a downside at this point.

Let me know your opinion. 302 Hi Pro

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:13 PM

The stock headers look better than I imagined. Still, Kooks' shorties are probably  equal length ,collecting into a merger. Coated of course -  coated on the inside too... maybe.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:48 PM

The stock headers look better than I imagined. Still, Kooks' shorties are probably  equal length ,collecting into a merger. Coated of course -  coated on the inside too... maybe.


That could be possible LSECO, especially if they are dipped. Would be the only way to coat them completely I would imagine.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:02 PM

The stock headers look better than I imagined. Still, Kooks' shorties are probably  equal length ,collecting into a merger. Coated of course -  coated on the inside too... maybe.


Jet Hot coats the headers inside and out, so no maybe there, you see it's necessary for heat management and it actually improves the flow through a polished surface area. HP

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:04 PM

That could be possible LSECO, especially if they are dipped. Would be the only way to coat them completely I would imagine.


Yes, and not to mention the special tools they have developed to get the job done, like I.D. Tube polishers, etc. HP

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:12 PM

Eww those stock headers dont look too good. Anyone know of a good set of shorties that dont require a retune? I would imagine if the cats stay intact there wouldnt be a need to retune...



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:45 PM

I bought the Kooks shorties on a group by a few months back.  Just havent had time to have them installed.  I'd be interested in the Jet Hot Coating though to reduce heat when they go in.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:36 AM

Yes, and not to mention the special tools they have developed to get the job done, like I.D. Tube polishers, etc. HP


What about having stock pipes Jet Coated to help with heat transfer?
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:00 AM

The stock headers look better than I imagined. Still, Kooks' shorties are probably  equal length ,collecting into a merger. Coated of course -  coated on the inside too... maybe.

Actually Kooks are not equal length. That is pretty much impossible with shorties. Likewise the collector is  very short due to space constraints. Thus I think true scavenging would be modest at best and not sure it would be better, or even as good, as the stock headers which do pair cylinders. . Kooks have larger diameter tubing so they would have greater flow capacity at high rpm, possibly less midrange torque.   


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:21 AM

Actually Kooks are not equal length. That is pretty much impossible with shorties. Likewise the collector is  very short due to space constraints. Thus I think true scavenging would be modest at best and not sure it would be better, or even as good, as the stock headers which do pair cylinders. . Kooks have larger diameter tubing so they would have greater flow capacity at high rpm, possibly less midrange torque.   


Was looking for some similar info, couldn't find anything. Was reading for headers to be effective the tubes have to be within 2" in length of each other and shorties aren't true headers. Can the Ford version be superior then to after market designs? Am sure they simply wouldn't slap something on there and they are listed as shorties not cast exhaust manifold.

However, the kooks version look impressive and if only you could see them as with an open engine bay. Why not plexiglass fenders, Corvettes have the hood?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:53 AM

What about having stock pipes Jet Coated to help with heat transfer?


This too would help to reduce under hood temps. But I'm not sure about the process of coating a used part, or if coating a used part is even possible. But if you were to install a new set of Jet Hot silver ceramic polished OEM (stock) headers, it would reduce heat. Those coatings are very effective for what they do. Hi Pro

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:04 AM

Eww those stock headers dont look too good. Anyone know of a good set of shorties that dont require a retune? I would imagine if the cats stay intact there wouldnt be a need to retune...
You are correct and this is the same reason why I began to consider this "upgrade". I want to keep my OEM tune, TracKey tune and not alter the emission controls on my Boss. The shorty headers are not tuned as are most long tube headers and HP gains are not as great, but I like that the shorties are a no mod required bolt in replacement for the factory Tri Y set up.
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Edited by 302 Hi Pro, 13 July 2013 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:41 AM

Checked some prices on AM.

 

Kooks (http://www.americanmuscle.com/kooks-shorty-headers-1114gt.html):

  Shorties w/o ceramic coating: $625

  Jet Hot ceramic coating:         $250

  TOTAL:                                  $875

 

BBK (http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-ceramic-tuned-headers-2011.html)

  Tuned shorties with factory ceramic coating: $450

 

JBA (http://www.americanmuscle.com/jba-ceramic-shortyheaders-1113gt.html)

  Shorties with factory ceramic coating: $540

 

Flow Master (http://www.americanmuscle.com/flowmaster-shortyheader-ceramic-1113gt.html)

  Shorties with factory ceramic coating: $700

 

Note that the Kooks with Jet coating is almost double the cost of the BBKs with factory ceramic coating.

I wonder if the Kooks are really worth all the extra $$$ ?


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Original: 2013 Race Red with TracKey, Recaro Seats, Torsen Diff, and Owners Kit.

Performance Mods: JLT Oil Separator, MGW Shifter, FRPP 84.5 MM TB, Airaid PJ Carbon Fiber Intake, Kooks 1-7/8" Shorty Headers (ceramic coated), Kooks Gen-II Side Pipes, MRT H-pipe, Borla Over-Axle Pipes, GT500 Quad Mufflers (painted black) with Valence, QTEC302 Electric Side-pipe Cutouts,  FRPP SS Clutch Line, FRPP Brake Cooling Kit, GT500 13.8" Rear Brake Upgrade, Vorshlag SS Brake Lines, AE 4" Aluminum DS with BMR safety loop, Shelby transmission scoop.

Suspension Mods: Steeda Boss Lowering Springs, Steeda HD Strut Mounts, Koni Yellow Dampers, Whiteline Panhard Bar with Brace, Whiteline LCAs with Relo Brackets.

Appearance Mods: Sound Tube Delete, Race Red Bumper Plugs, CDC Illuminated 'Boss 302' Sill Plates, RedLine Hood Struts, Blacked-out Hood Vents, MRT Aluminum Rear Louvers, SHR Flush Quarter Louvers (matte black), SHR Custom Fuel Door (matte black with RR '302' lettering), Moroso Coolant Reservoir. Moroso Battery & Brake Fluid Covers, CJPony Boss302 Rally Shift Knob.

Track & Safety Mods: Forgestar CF5 19x10" wheels (square configuration), Hoosier R6 295/35-19 R-compound tires, SRP Racing Pedals, LS Rear Seat Delete and Cross Brace (race red), CoolTech Roll Bar (race red) and Crow Harnesses (with Boss 302 emblem).

Planned Mods: Whiteline UCA, CoolTech Tow Hooks, Peterson Breather Can, McCloud RST Clutch, Maybe a set of Sweet BSS Wheels, 500+ BHP (one way or another).


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

Checked some prices on AM.
 
Kooks (http://www.americanmuscle.com/kooks-shorty-headers-1114gt.html):
  Shorties w/o ceramic coating: $625
  Jet Hot ceramic coating:         $250
  TOTAL:                                  $875
 
BBK (http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-ceramic-tuned-headers-2011.html)
  Tuned shorties with factory ceramic coating: $450
 
JBA (http://www.americanmuscle.com/jba-ceramic-shortyheaders-1113gt.html)
  Shorties with factory ceramic coating: $540
 
Flow Master (http://www.americanmuscle.com/flowmaster-shortyheader-ceramic-1113gt.html)
  Shorties with factory ceramic coating: $700
 
Note that the Kooks with Jet coating is almost double the cost of the BBKs with factory ceramic coating.
I wonder if the Kooks are really worth all the extra $$$ ?


Bossy13:
This is excellent information, why are the Kooks, so much more expensive? Anyone know? I do like the style of the Kooks, but is it worth the price difference? Thank so much, 2HP


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