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#1 guillaume69

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 08:03 AM

Good morning,

I am looking for Hawk Performance brake pads for my Boss, both front and rear.

I don't know if you are like me, but I am struggling with the amount of options offered by this single brand only... After spending a couple hours cross checking various websites, I finally narrowed it down to 3 potential choices for my use (daily drive w/ occasional spirited driving - no track, no auto cross).

- HPS Front HB453F.585 or HB453F.670
- HPS Rear HB485F.656
or
- Ceramic Front HB453Z.585 or HB453Z.670
- Ceramic Rear HB485Z.656
or
- HP+ Front HB453N.585 or HB453N.670
- HP+ Rear HB485N.656

However, there are at least half a dozen other types of pads available for the Boss from Hawk: Blue 9012, DTC-30, DTC-50, DTC-60, DTC-70, HT-10...

Most are offered with the same choices of thickness:
- 0.585 or 0.670 front
- 0.656 rear

Some only come in one choice for front: 0.585

I understand that more compound will extend pad life, but how can both fit the same calipers/rotor set-up? CJ, for instance, only offers 0.585 for the Boss.

Additionally, I would be very interested in your user feedback on all those different type of pads. I read the Hawk website info, but what do you personally think?



Thanks in advance for helping me "brake the code" on this. Hope this thread will help other forum users as well.

G

Edited by guillaume69, 25 April 2015 - 08:26 AM.

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#2 Jabooh1

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 11:38 AM

I purchased these HPS Front HB453F.585 in October last year. I DD my boss and do a few track days a year. After install I thought they had the same performance as OEM when cold and better when warm. Much less dust as well!!

I got mine off amazon for $110 or so. I will buy them again when needed.
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#3 BallwinBoss

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 05:28 PM

HPS is what I use for my daily driver pads. HP+ is what I use for the track.

#4 guillaume69

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Posted 25 April 2015 - 05:57 PM

Thanks, guys. I figured HP+ was the track stuff. Now, anybody tried both HPS (F) and Ceramic (Z)? How do they compare?

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#5 TymeSlayer

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 07:12 AM

I'm on the HP ceramics you list second and I will say the are a good balance for both the street and light track duty. I'm using them on DBA T3 Club spec rotors and there's little noise to speak of. These should produce less brake dust and wear good but i am looking to swap them out for better performance for the few track days I plan each year. Looking at the DTC series for that but haven't pick out which one yet. Am also looking at Pagid and Carbotech. But for a good pad for DD and street use, you can't go wrong with the ceramics. 


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#6 guillaume69

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Posted 26 April 2015 - 10:56 AM

Thanks for your feedback TS.

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#7 DarkestCon

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Posted 12 June 2015 - 04:18 PM

Did you change out rotors when you guys switched to hawk from the OEM pads?



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Posted 13 June 2015 - 07:15 AM

Indeed I did but it wasn't out of necessity. These hawk pads will work on the oem rotors. 


FRPP 84.5MM Throttle Body / 302S Bumpsteer Kit / FR500S Front Wheel Hub and Rear Wheel Studs / Front Brake Cooling Ducts / LS Dash Gauges / LS Pedestal Spoiler / Recaro Seats/ Stainless Steel Clutch Line / T-Springs / Torsen Differential / TracKey -  BFR Aluminum Rear Brake Caliper Bracket / Fire Extinguisher Mount / Front Tow Hook Kit - BMR A-Arms / Front Drive Shaft Safety Loop / K-Member / Lower Control Arms / Radiator Support / Upper Control Arms / Watts Link - ForgeStar CF5V Matte Black – Mickey Thompson Street Comps - Hawk High Performance Ceramic Pads  - DBA Slotted Rotors - Goodridge Stainless Steel Brake Lines - Kooks Shorty’s Headers / Boss 302 Side Pipes – Borla ATAKs Axle Backs / 2-3/4” Over Axle – MRT H-Pipes -QTP Electric Cutouts - Driveshaft Shop One Piece Aluminum Driveshaft - Airaid Parnelli Jones Cold Air Intake - CoolTech Boss 302 Oil Cooler with T-Stat / 6PT Harness Belts and Clips - Corbeau Harness Bar - Peterson Air-Oil Separator - Moroso Overflow Tank - SPEC Stage 2+ Clutch Kit / Lightweight Steel Flywheel - MGW Race Spec Shifter - Koni Yellow Sports - Maximum Motorsport Caster-Camber Plates  - Aggressor Airflow Engraved Front Splitter

 

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#9 DarkestCon

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 01:54 PM

Indeed I did but it wasn't out of necessity. These hawk pads will work on the oem rotors. 

 

Do you know if the compounds are compatible? Or do I have to scotch pad the rotors to clean them off?



#10 TymeSlayer

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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:06 PM

This should help...

 

http://www.tirerack....e.jsp?techid=85


FRPP 84.5MM Throttle Body / 302S Bumpsteer Kit / FR500S Front Wheel Hub and Rear Wheel Studs / Front Brake Cooling Ducts / LS Dash Gauges / LS Pedestal Spoiler / Recaro Seats/ Stainless Steel Clutch Line / T-Springs / Torsen Differential / TracKey -  BFR Aluminum Rear Brake Caliper Bracket / Fire Extinguisher Mount / Front Tow Hook Kit - BMR A-Arms / Front Drive Shaft Safety Loop / K-Member / Lower Control Arms / Radiator Support / Upper Control Arms / Watts Link - ForgeStar CF5V Matte Black – Mickey Thompson Street Comps - Hawk High Performance Ceramic Pads  - DBA Slotted Rotors - Goodridge Stainless Steel Brake Lines - Kooks Shorty’s Headers / Boss 302 Side Pipes – Borla ATAKs Axle Backs / 2-3/4” Over Axle – MRT H-Pipes -QTP Electric Cutouts - Driveshaft Shop One Piece Aluminum Driveshaft - Airaid Parnelli Jones Cold Air Intake - CoolTech Boss 302 Oil Cooler with T-Stat / 6PT Harness Belts and Clips - Corbeau Harness Bar - Peterson Air-Oil Separator - Moroso Overflow Tank - SPEC Stage 2+ Clutch Kit / Lightweight Steel Flywheel - MGW Race Spec Shifter - Koni Yellow Sports - Maximum Motorsport Caster-Camber Plates  - Aggressor Airflow Engraved Front Splitter

 

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#11 guillaume69

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Posted 20 June 2015 - 07:24 AM

I did the pad bed-in procedure recommended by Hawk (same as link above). But I must admit that I did not change or resurface or sand my OEM rotors. I simply changed the pads in my driveway. Of course, I used break cleaner and made sure everything was super clean before reassembly.

For my DD use, I must say I am super happy: braking seems unchanged from stock pads, zero noise, and I got rid of that brown dust that was driving me nuts... Obviously, I wouldn't know about heavy duty track use and fading, as I did not track the car.

On a side note, I was amazed at how much was left of the OEM pads, when I removed them, with 30,000+ miles. Those are definitely good pads, but too dusty for a DD use.

Hope this helps!

G

Edit:
I went with
- HPS Front HB453F.585
- HPS Rear HB485F.656

Edited by guillaume69, 25 June 2015 - 02:29 PM.

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#12 LSECO

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Posted 22 June 2015 - 02:51 PM

I couldn't be happier than with my Carboteck brake pads.For street usage I block off my brake cooling ducts ...
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(just a SMIDGEON of mods compared to most of "MY BOSSBROS") All LS take-off parts are packaged up..... There is no such thing as a "REGULAR" Boss !!   :rockon:   


                                 

#13 65sohc

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 06:59 PM

I put Hawk ceramics on my car after about six months of dealing with the OEM brake dust. That was  2 1/2 years ago. Braking seemed fine. Then a few days ago I got a card from Ford offering (yet another) free oil change if I test drove a new Mustang. I had been curious anyway so if they're paying me to drive it all the better. I drove a manual trans GT with Performance Package. Talk about brakes! I didn't drive it hard but in that brief trip it was obvious that the new brake package bites much harder. I got back in my car and the brake pedal felt limp in comparison. I may have to look into some different low dust pads.  


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 09:23 AM

I did the pad bed-in procedure recommended by Hawk (same as link above). But I must admit that I did not change or resurface or sand my OEM rotors. I simply changed the pads in my driveway. Of course, I used break cleaner and made sure everything was super clean before reassembly.

For my DD use, I must say I am super happy: braking seems unchanged from stock pads, zero noise, and I got rid of that brown dust that was driving me nuts... Obviously, I wouldn't know about heavy duty track use and fading, as I did not track the car.

On a side note, I was amazed at how much was left of the OEM pads, when I removed them, with 30,000+ miles. Those are definitely good pads, but too dusty for a DD use.

Hope this helps!

G

Edit:
I went with
- HPS Front HB453F.585
- HPS Rear HB485F.656

Hey Guillaume, où as tu commandé les pads? et à quel prix? Merci



#15 guillaume69

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 12:51 PM

Hello Bullit,

J'ai commandé sur Amazon.com lorsque je vivais encore aux US. Plusieurs jeux d'avance... ;-)

Tout est là:

https://www.amazon.c...n/dp/B000COCOBW

https://www.amazon.c...e/dp/B000CO74ZI

G

Edited by guillaume69, 23 June 2017 - 12:52 PM.

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#16 BallwinBoss

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 09:48 AM

Did you change out rotors when you guys switched to hawk from the OEM pads?

So the OEM rotors are great but don't dissipate the gasses if you track the car very much.  There are a ton of rotor options out there.  I avoid drilled rotors as they really don't do well over time at the track (get cracked), I like slotted.

 

The more aggressive the brake pad the more brake dust.  I know we all get it and the HP+'s give a fair amount of dust.  Fortunately with the OEM wheels it rinses off pretty easily.

 

Bedding the brakes is pretty important and easy to do so well worth the time.


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#17 guillaume69

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:32 AM

I have been researching rotors lately. Couldn't find a thread dedicated to them in this section.

I liked the rotors they had on the Track Attack Bosses. Anyone remembers what they were?

G

Edited by guillaume69, 26 June 2017 - 02:04 PM.

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#18 TymeSlayer

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:14 PM

Hawk Performance Ceramics help keep the dust down and are great on the street and decent on the track. They work well with my DBA slotted rotors and for my track skills they perform well on the track. Perhaps if I were a better or more aggressive driver, I would consider Carbotech or Pagid. And if I tracked the car more than the 3-5 tymes a year, I don't think dust would bother me so much. But since my car is a show-and-go these ceramics work for me and are quiet on the streets too. 


FRPP 84.5MM Throttle Body / 302S Bumpsteer Kit / FR500S Front Wheel Hub and Rear Wheel Studs / Front Brake Cooling Ducts / LS Dash Gauges / LS Pedestal Spoiler / Recaro Seats/ Stainless Steel Clutch Line / T-Springs / Torsen Differential / TracKey -  BFR Aluminum Rear Brake Caliper Bracket / Fire Extinguisher Mount / Front Tow Hook Kit - BMR A-Arms / Front Drive Shaft Safety Loop / K-Member / Lower Control Arms / Radiator Support / Upper Control Arms / Watts Link - ForgeStar CF5V Matte Black – Mickey Thompson Street Comps - Hawk High Performance Ceramic Pads  - DBA Slotted Rotors - Goodridge Stainless Steel Brake Lines - Kooks Shorty’s Headers / Boss 302 Side Pipes – Borla ATAKs Axle Backs / 2-3/4” Over Axle – MRT H-Pipes -QTP Electric Cutouts - Driveshaft Shop One Piece Aluminum Driveshaft - Airaid Parnelli Jones Cold Air Intake - CoolTech Boss 302 Oil Cooler with T-Stat / 6PT Harness Belts and Clips - Corbeau Harness Bar - Peterson Air-Oil Separator - Moroso Overflow Tank - SPEC Stage 2+ Clutch Kit / Lightweight Steel Flywheel - MGW Race Spec Shifter - Koni Yellow Sports - Maximum Motorsport Caster-Camber Plates  - Aggressor Airflow Engraved Front Splitter

 

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#19 fking1

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:21 PM

Power Stop pads have virtually no dust and are good for autocross.

Not too great for continuous track days.

Have on my Boss & 15 Corvette, both of which I autocross.



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 12:35 AM

So I guess rotor friendly pads create more dust.

I read that the carbon rotors cars are almost dust free.
<p><p> 2012 LAGUNA SECA Black/Race Red: The FIRST year of the RETURN of the Boss 302, (Gen.II) Road-Race ready.
L O - J A C K theft recovery system.
Pedestal wing with GT-500 Gurney flap,modified fr. splitter.Halon fire extinguisher.Cervini ram air hood w/heat extractors. Recaro racing seats, race red rear seat delete brace bar,4pt.race red seatbelts and harness bar,r.r. front splitter adj.rods,r.r.coil covers and r.r.shock tower brace.LS race gauge pack.FRPP race brake cooling ducts, Motul 600 race brake fluid, FRPP trans cooling scoop, AEM intake tube kit, oil catch can-pass side only, FRPP TRACKEY,SilverHorse gas filler lid.MMD satin black tail light surrounds,MMD Carbon fiber wrapped hood gas struts, projector headlights w/sequential turn signals and emergencies,rear brake/emergencies sequencers.CSI protective smoke head light covers-daytime use only, satin black LS faux gas cap.Honeycomb ELEANOR grill w/hidden LED HALO fogs,honeycomb front lower grill,limo tint on rear glass ONLY,LED interior, license plate, and trunk lighting, satin silver billet e-brake handle, mirror adj.knob ,shifter ball,rear seatbelt mounting covers.Eibach Sportline road racing lowering springs(installed by Eibach), FRPP 1pc. aluminium drive shaft,Bama "tunes for life", Kooks long tube headers,Kooks cat delete offroad X-pipe,resonator delete over axle pipes,On-3-Go muffler deletes.
Custom smoke/nickel chrome, LIGHTWEIGHT 19X10 wheels-295×30×19 fronts-295x30x19 rears w/Hoosier R6 tyres for spirited driving, Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires on stock RED rims for inclement monsoon weather, Carbotech brake pads, race red Brembo calipers,FRPP GT500 rear rotors conversion, MGW Race spec.III shifter,Whiteline trans mount bushing, J&M adjustable panhard bar.Dual clutch transmission fluids,

(just a SMIDGEON of mods compared to most of "MY BOSSBROS") All LS take-off parts are packaged up..... There is no such thing as a "REGULAR" Boss !!   :rockon:   


                                 








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